Build FIRO voting system

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Because of the voting mechanism that is currently running that it is impossible to transparently display whether the person behind the ID is a Firo responsible-investor or an enemy.
Let masternode holders vote to decide. No need to express any objections in the community, waste time making unnecessary arguments, directly vote down if disagree,the forum will have a new look.

Writing the above comment, one masternode only $3,000,
Anyone in the forum who says that he is a small investor who needs to be protected, if have confidence in Firo, are a responsible investor, you can afford one masternode to vote for your opinion

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Thisbis being discussed as something like quadratic voting or just one coin one vote

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I personally would agree that having voted done by people who own a MN maybe is the right thing to do just like Dash as it shows some kind of commitment to the project.

However, first anyone can set up a MN to vote and then take it out. I’ve seen this happening g in Dash when important things are proposed.

Second, unfortunately having MN vote could be dangerous as if you have whales controlling lots of MN they can pretty much vote for wherever they wish for with YES/NO and go their way.

It’s not as simple as it seems from the outside. It needs a thought process and right execution.

Finally, to say $3000 is not a lot of money is little foolish. $3k is actually quite a lot of money especially for ordinary folks around the world.

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We can restrict voting for long term holders only so, we avoid whales and hit and run traders.

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Don’t worry about that the whales will influence the result. If the result is not good, those whales will lose very much. So they have to vote siriously. We should welcome more whales to join

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And more whales’ buying Firo will influence more people include the whales’ followers to buy Firo.

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Well, it doesn’t work like that. Just look how governments and super rich people decides what is best for them, using system for their selfish benefit and doesn’t care about benefit of normal people.

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It is a tempting suggestion. The old dash code is there.

But more thought is required:

  • Does everyone forget Tim so quickly. He was a whale with a high percentage of master-nodes at that time along with his followers. He tried to take over the coin and change it to fit his personal requirements.
    When he did not get what he wanted he dumped and dumped and tried to destroy the coin
  • Who should vote: someone with ‘skin in the game’ such as long term node holder. But again this can be gamed over time.
    One coin one vote is a non-starter IMHO. Buy coin, vote, sell coin does not show any sacrifice/opportunity cost.

I am sure there are many more edge cases

Let us consider them carefully

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If you consider more masternode for voting, then it is what Tim did in the past. Do you want the rich control this coin? not community?

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Long term investors must have the right to decide project decision because they have the full risk holding coins for long time so, they believe in project and their profit is profit also for project, they have risk on their shoulders.
I do not know about Tim but if he is a long term investor then he have the right to decide about project decesions. It is fair to think like that “no risk no gain no decesions” .

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What is community risk?
What they will lose when project die?

We talk about majorty of really holders have the right to decide because they risk their money not just their words.

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如果当初没有把 Tim 踢走,并且建立良好的投票制度,适当的分享一些权力给资产阶级,也许 Firo 就不会做成今天这个样子。老实说我们应该停止对 Tim 的诽谤了,我了解他,他没那么坏,他对 Firo 做了很多贡献,而得到的待遇却是不公平的。

主节点投票虽然有很多缺点,但目前的论坛投票也好不到哪里去。我们应该建立一个良好平衡的投票系统,团结所有能够为 Firo 出钱出力的人。

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I like seeing that our community comes from all over the world but can I ask, why don’t you translate your post in English so most can understand it?

我喜欢看到我们的社区来自世界各地,但我能问一下,你为什么不把你的帖子翻译成英文,让大多数人都能理解呢?

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Indeed, I have to admit that TIM has taken XZC to a very high level and made many people realize that XZC, although you have been advocating that price doesn’t matter, isn’t most people in the world attracted by price fluctuations and spikes? BTC, ETH and DOGE have established their positions just because their prices have been rising. No one will pay attention to such a small currency with such a low price. What Tim wants to do is indeed for interests, but does it bring more fame and investors to the currency at the same time? Since Tim left, we haven’t seen the coin flourish, the opposite team is miserable, the investors are gone, and everyone is miserable.

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Without a good represetative voting system we can not reach good decisions for project. So a good representative voting system is a necessity at first, then we can move forward about project general decesions.

让社区保持多样性(包括语言多样性)是有好处的,这就是为什么论坛的帖子下方有一个「:globe_with_meridians: 翻译」按钮。

补充一下:

如果希望自己变得强大,我们就不能责怪别人,无论是责怪团队、Reuben 还是责怪 Tim。因为一切都是你自身的错。投资也是自己的事情,亏了是自己的错。更不要说人身攻击和诽谤当然是绝对禁止的。如果你觉得 Firo 实在是无可救药,你其实是有权利 Fork 的,否则的话建议还是多做建设性的事情和发声。

另外 Reuben 也已经写过一篇关于投票机制的帖子了,建议提倡纯币投票的人也看看这个:Poll on Firo Block Reward Division - #201 by reuben

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关于这个问题,我来补充一个原因:翻译工具翻译的结果是不准确的。
如果把谷歌翻译的结果放在这里,很可能造成对作者造成误解,为了更准确地反映作者的本意,我建议允许作者用自己熟悉的语言发帖,这样即使别人使用翻译工具误解了作者,其他人就能明白:这是翻译工具的错,而不是作者本身的错。

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关于鲸鱼的问题,我的观点是: 我们要学会与鲸鱼共存,而不是把鲸鱼赶走。
虽然价格高(更准确地说是市值高)不能说明项目一定成功,但价格低却能说明项目一定是不成功的(至少目前是不成功的),如果大家观察一下你心中的成功项目,它们都有一个共同点:价格高(更准确地说是市值高),比如BTC、ETH、ZEC、XMR、DOGE、SHIBA…。
而要价格高,就必须要有很多人愿意买入并长期持有。虽然我们内心希望人们都能买入并长期持有Firo,但站在他们的角度来思考一下:市场上低市值的项目多如牛毛,为什么一定要买入Firo呢?甚至很多人根本不知道有Firo这么一个项目的存在,他们也许从来都没听说过Firo,他们又怎么会买入Firo呢?
虽然我们希望每一个人都能做出独立的思考与判断,并且买入隐私性最好的币Firo(如果Firo的隐私性确实是最好的),但站在他们的角度思考一下:如果Firo真的很好,那为什么价格却是如此的低呢?俗话说:价格高的未必是真货,但价格低的一定不是真货!
再加上买币实际上买的是未来,而绝大多数普通人是不具备专业的判断能力的,相对而言,跟随鲸鱼就是一个不错的策略。DOGE成功的可能已经越来越大,最主要的原因就是获得了马斯克的支持,他为什么要支持DOGE?原因就在于它自己就购买了大量的DOGE。
无论哪个成功的项目,往往都有一个甚至很多个鲸鱼存在。如果一个项目试图要把鲸鱼赶走,那与自杀没有太大的区别。
因此,Firo项目要想获得成功,也应积极引入鲸鱼,为鲸鱼买入Firo、长期持有Firo创造条件。按持有(最好是长期持有,比如三个月以上甚至一年以上)Firo数量的多少来决定可投票数的多少就是吸引鲸鱼的办法之一。如果鲸鱼投入大量资金,却不能为自己的资金安全做选择,仍然要听从众多小虾的选择(比如,鲸鱼持有10万个Firo只能投一票,而100个持有0.00001Firo的人却能投出100票),你说鲸鱼会做这样的傻事吗?换做你,你愿意吗?
任何投票方法都有缺点,但“一币一票”或“一个节点一票”的办法是相对而言最合理的。

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Yes, just like the enterprise, the person with the most equity should have a bigger say, after all, no one with a high equity will harm themselves.

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