I lost <$5k at changelly while trying to help the community. Why things must change... a cautionary tale

I’ll start with the background.

I was trying to help the Firo community by checking different swaps through different swap providers (Transitioning Monero (XMR) to Firo exchange challenges. No support! - #11 by frustratedramp). My small research showed there’s a limited number of swap providers that genuinely support firo even more so with spark support.

I shifted some monero profits (as it was pumping) to Firo while I was doing all of these checks for the community. You can see the topic for the disastrous results of that and reasoning.

Now of course i wanted to switch back Firo to monero and some in btc as i did think they would go up. First i did Firo to monero. Boy was I in for a ride…

I used swapspace co for firo to monero… low and behold there is only one provider for firo to monero - changelly. I was hesitant but I had no choice i was forced to do that swap.

I did as @reuben suggested some swap providers might not accept from shielded/spark addresses. I switched it from spark to clear address. I sent from the clear address to the provided address. I checked back on the transaction and transaction was on hold…

Swapspace provided no effort or support to contact changelly they only referred me to their compliance team. Such aggregators seem to be good only for showing you pairs, you actually get better rate going to the website itself directly.

Changelly wasn’t of help either. They requested KYC and AML. Now at this point in this story you might ask why not do KYC and AML? What’s the big deal?

Well… almost 6 years ago I sent my documents to an exchange. Months later someone applied for loans credit cards and maxed it out including changing my phone number and basically left me financially ruined. It took years for me to recover step by step. That’s why I use instant swap services unless i purchase from my bank account directly on big exchanges. Before the incident I only had shown my passport to my bank and in person many years ago. This means the leak happened from the exchange. That’s why I’m not doing it again.

I have a mortgage and family to support I can’t relive that nightmare and risk having my data stolen again, simply can’t. I’m also puzzled why the transaction would have been stopped. Firo has no blockchain analytics. Monero has no blockchain analytics. The amount was less than $5,000 below the travel rule. I made the exchange from my home IP no vpns or tor or mobile data. Which means there’s no leg for your KYC or AML policy to stand on.

Now i’m stuck do I enter the documents rabbit hole and risk my life ruined and my family on the street for almost $5000 or do i take this as a major loss and cautionary tale for me and others? Tough choice.

I only wanted to share this story with all of you not for sympathy but not to trust Changelly and don’t expect anything from aggregators except taking a bigger cut from the exchange.

The other reason I wanted to share it is because Firo really needs firo<>xmr swaps and firo<>other coin swaps that aren’t through BNB, ETH or other networks where the power of Firo is removed. This is a major major problem as we can’t rely on thiefs like Changelly to be the sole provider of such swaps… take my story or read their trustpilot reviews take your pick!

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I’m also okay with providing changelly/swapspace transaction proof to the firo core team to verify my story. thanks all now i have to contemplate on how to increase my salary to make up for this beautiful gift from the changelly circus…

Really horrible to hear how bad Changelly has become.

I believe the travel rule is now <1000 USD

Is it possible to ask for changelly to refund to you?

Btw, we’re in talks with Wizardswap to support Spark addresses.

Do feel free to send the transaction proofs to me and I’ll see what I can do but no promises.

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Why no support on dcrdex? It seems straight forward, many users would appreciate it, and avoid situations like this.

There’s an existing PR waiting for the market making on Binance (due to exchange addresses) that’s waiting to be merged. According to @xorzero there’s still some small quirks.

Also the last I checked DCRDex required a DCR bond.

Really need some market making and although not biggest fan of Binance it’s good at least some big exchanges are willing to integrate Firo.

Latest release of dcrdex is November 2024. Personally I’d be more happy with Serai DEX integration.

There’s also another idea @reuben why not contact developers of Haveno (or the actual network of Retoswap based on Haveno) and work to add Firo? Another similar alternative would be Bisq.

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What I meant was that DCRDex has a market making function to take Binance price and auto manage liquidity using Binance liquidity.

— posted on wrong topic please ignore —

Did you manage to get your money back?

Changelly also held my FIRO hostage, I did several swaps with them in the past in the $500-$3K range, never had an issue. Last time (a year or so ago), suddenly a $800 swap triggered something and they forced me to go through KYC/AML. Perhaps I exceeded X amount of $ in a certain period, I have no clue. I asked to just get my FIRO back and just forget about the swap, but they didn’t want to do that, I had to KYC, period. Haven’t used them since.

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That’s horrible :frowning: